by Calculated Risk on 10/14/2009 02:00:00 PM

There are several key points here:

The pace of economic growth in 2009 and 2010 "was unlikely to reduce the unemployment rate appreciably".

There are different views on future asset purchases, although they agreed to remain "flexible" and will expand the asset purchase programs "should the economic outlook deteriorate".

There is "considerable uncertainty" about economic growth once government "supports were withdrawn or their effects waned".

Here are the September FOMC minutes. Committee Policy Action:

With respect to the large-scale asset purchase programs, some members thought that an increase in the maximum amount of the Committee's purchases of agency MBS could help to reduce economic slack more quickly than in the baseline outlook. Another member believed that the recent improvement in the economic outlook could warrant a reduction in the Committee's maximum purchases. ... Members discussed the importance of maintaining flexibility to expand the asset purchase programs should the economic outlook deteriorate or to scale back the programs should economic and financial conditions improve more than anticipated.
emphasis added

Economic outlook:

In their discussion of the economic situation and outlook, meeting participants agreed that the incoming data and information received from business contacts suggested that economic activity had picked up following its severe downturn; most thought an economic recovery was under way. Many participants noted that since August, they had revised up their projections for the second half of 2009 and for subsequent years. A number of factors were expected to support growth over the next few quarters: Activity in the housing sector was evidently rising, and house prices had apparently stabilized or even increased; ; reports from business contacts and regional surveys were consumer spending seemed to be in the process of leveling outconsistent with firms making progress in bringing inventories into better alignment with sales and with production stabilizing or beginning to rise in many sectors; the outlook for growth abroad had also improved, auguring well for U.S. exports; and financial market conditions had continued to improve over the past several months. Despite these positive factors, many participants noted that the economic recovery was likely to be quite restrained. Credit from banks remained difficult to obtain and costly for many borrowers; these conditions were expected to improve only gradually. In light of recent experience, consumers were likely to be cautious in spending, and business contacts indicated that their firms would also be cautious in hiring and investing even as demand for their products picked up. Some of the recent gains in activity probably reflected government policy support, and participants expressed considerable uncertainty about the likely strength of the upturn once those supports were withdrawn or their effects waned. Overall, the economy was projected to expand over the remainder of 2009 and during 2010, but at a pace that was unlikely to reduce the unemployment rate appreciably. Subsequently, as the housing market picked up further and financial conditions improved, economic growth was expected to strengthen, leading to more-substantial increases in resource utilization over time.

by Calculated Risk on 10/14/2009 12:23:00 PM

The WSJ has an article today on Stuy Town: An Apartment Complex Teeters

One of the biggest, most high-profile deals of the commercial real-estate boom is in danger of imminent default ... signaling the beginning of what is expected to be a wave of commercial-property failures.

According to Lingling Wei and Craig Karmin at the WSJ the interest reserve could be depleted by the end of the year, and that could put the property in default.

According to Realpoint, the property is worth less than 40% of the $5.4 billion purchase price.

Here is a September article from the NY Times: Buyers of Huge Manhattan Complex Face Default Risk

Tishman Speyer and BlackRock spent $6.3 billion — the $5.4 billion purchase price and the creation of four reserve funds totaling $890 million — to buy Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village from the original owner, Metropolitan Life.
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At Stuyvesant Town, there is a $3 billion first mortgage, or commercial mortgage-backed security, and a $1.4 billion second loan held by SL Green and others.

Finally, there is $1.9 billion in equity put up by Tishman Speyer, BlackRock and their investors.

The equity and the second loan will probably be wiped out.

by Calculated Risk on 10/14/2009 10:10:00 AM

Update: see bottom of post for Q&A.

"While we seeing some initial signs of consumer credit stability, we are not certain that this trend will continue."
JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon, Oct 14, 2009

A few excerpts (ht Brian):

JPM:

“We continue to see initial signs of stability in the consumer, early bucket delinquency trends, but we are not ready to declare that's a sustained trend but it is continuing to be what we actually observe. Another overall comment is that as far as the impact of foreclosures moratorium, the trial mods which have been very active in doing, and just the overall extension of processing of REO through the courts, those things are obviously having an affect on overall delinquency and stats but we are doing everything we can to stay on top of the income statement taking recognizing losses through charge offs and adding to reserves without regard for the impact that those factors would be causing in the overall delinquency.

Looking ahead to what we see, we are not changing any of these numbers [loss estimatse by loan category] and obviously whether we advance to these levels is going to be a function of whether some of the early bucket delinquency trends that we described continue or not. But we measure impairment at sub portfolio levels for purposes of accounting impairments, and so as we look at the prime portfolio, not option arms just the prime mortgage portfolio, we see some weakness. We obviously measure that in terms of expected lifetime losses on that portfolio, and have added $1.1 billion, that is put on the books in the form of a loan loss reserve as opposed to an incremental mark.

Brian notes that these comments about prime loans relate to the purchased WaMu portfolio, and that this charge is over and above the $30B write down they took at the time of the acquisition.

This table on Card Services (Managed) is from the JPMorgan investor presentation.

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The net charge-off rate rose to 9.41% in Q3, and JPM expects charge offs to hit 11% on the non-Wamu portfolio in Q1, Wamu losses could approach 24%!

Credit card losses tend to track unemployment, so the charge-off rate will probably stay elevated for some time.

Update from the Q&A:

Analyst: Loans were down about 5% linked quarter 16% year-over-year. Is that supply or demand, what are some of the ins and outs there?

JPM: Consumer portfolios, you have run off portfolios from Washington mutual and in retail, some tightening of underwriting standards in those businesses generally. So expect that at the origination levels, that for a period of time here, we are going to have downward pressure on those balances. We're in the business of making loans against our underwriting standards today. So it is active supply, meeting demand on that score. On the commercial side, you have seen it a little further down this quarter, and that is you know more, it is a little bit of everything but it is more demand clearly because we see extended credit lines utilized at the lowest levels of all time. You can see a swing in those numbers as soon as confidence returns in our commercial clients and they have some use for that money.

On the housing market:

Analyst: Would you comment on California housing market?

JPM: In the major MSAs you have seen a stabilization in fact an increase in the last couple of months, call it stabilization of home prices. That was more true for lower priced than higher priced but also happens in places where price is down dramatically, and obviously parts of Florida are still bad, parts of California we are seeing some improvement. We see that improvement in areas with a high percent of sales from forecloses and also in areas where foreclosure sales aren't as high of a percent. So I would agree with you there's a lot of distortion in that number but all things being equal it is a good fact not a bad fact.

Comment on delinquency trends and the denominator effect:

Analyst: I was hoping just to flush out some comments with respect to delinquency trends in home lending, can you talk to stabilization on Slide 17 on, in the slide deck, it looks like all of those lines are going up and it can be the discrepancy between percentage, delinquencies, come down maybe you can talk to that

JPM: Clearly on the overall 30 plus you get the distortion. I won't try to take that number down too much. You see those, in percentage terms on 17 you do see those affects rolling through. On a dollar basis it is stabilization that we are seeing across those portfolios and again it is portfolios [denominator] coming down.

On the economy

Analyst: As we look at the overall numbers they can be confusing as to the economic outlook but as you get the data kind of first-hand from people that are running the businesses that are dealing with small business, mid size and consumer, what does it tell you about the economic outlook?

JPM: You actually all see pretty much what we see, and there seems to be in the environment, in terms of consumer spending, confidence, in terms of delinquencies a little bit of improvement, and in home price. Those are actual data, and you know that can be forming the base of a recovery or not but we are not going to spend a lot of time guessing about that. The only thing anecdotally is that business, small business, middle market, large corporate, they kind of poised and waiting to see if the recovery is taking hold, they have growth plans, to me it would be a good sign if that's true because maybe, you know, people get a little more comfortable taking risks and making more investments in the future.”

On mortgage mods

Analyst: The mortgage mod, can you tell us has the process smoothed at this point? What the pipeline looks like and how long do you think its going be to get that pipeline fulfilled.

JPM: Growing pains in these processes. So we have been active. One thing it is just still early to see how effective people are in making their payments which is obviously one important thing but the other issue there is just people complying with all of the terms of what is required under the Governments guidelines in terms of amount, types of documentation before it can be declared [permanent]. So there's still I would call it growing pains in the process a little early to say it has stabilized and worked through. A lot of energy going into it adding a lot of people to it, ourselves and across the industry.

Analyst: Do you see this as something that's going to be permanent in the business, is this a pressure that will go away or is this something you guys have to live with to some degree or another permanently?

JPM (Dimon): The right way to look at it is it is so large the problem in housing today we certainly hope there’s nothing like this ever again. We have always had work out the department, the REO department, and it is just a prime delinquency that is ten times what you would have are expected, ten times expect in almost any environment. So it will come down to a much more normal thing eventually and you will have delinquency and charge offs and foreclosure that are just much smaller than they are today. It will never be this, probably never be this big again in our lifetime.

by Calculated Risk on 10/14/2009 08:30:00 AM

On a monthly basis, retail sales decreased 1.5% from August to September (seasonally adjusted), and sales are off 5.7% from September 2008 (retail ex food services decreased 6.4%).

Excluding motor vehicles, retail sales were up 0.5%.

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This graph shows real retail sales (adjusted with PCE) since 1992. This is monthly retail sales, seasonally adjusted.

NOTE: The graph doesn't start at zero to better show the change.

This shows that retail sales fell off a cliff in late 2008, and appear to have bottomed, but at a much lower level.

The second graph shows the year-over-year change in nominal and real retail sales since 1993.

To calculate the real change, the core PCI price index from the BLS was used (August prices were estimated as the average increase over the previous 3 months).

Real retail sales (ex food services) declined by 7.9% on a YoY basis.

Here is the Census Bureau report:

The U.S. Census Bureau announced today that advance estimates of U.S. retail and food services sales for September, adjusted for seasonal variation and holiday and trading-day differences, but not for price changes, were $344.7 billion, a decrease of 1.5 percent (±0.5%) from the previous month and 5.7 percent (±0.7%) below September 2008. Total sales for the July through September 2009 period were down 6.6 percent (±0.3%) from the same period a year ago. The July to August 2009 percent change was revised from +2.7 percent (±0.5%) to +2.2 percent (±0.2%).

The large decrease in retail sales was because of the end of Cash-for-clunkers in August. Excluding autos, retail sales increased in September, but are still far below year ago levels.

by Calculated Risk on 10/13/2009 10:58:00 PM

From Steven Pearlstein at the WaPo: Don't Reinflate the Old Bubbles

What we're witnessing here is pretty simple: another bubble in financial assets. All that "liquidity" created by the Federal Reserve and other central banks has accomplished its task and prevented a global financial meltdown. ...

Many analysts now look at the economy and conclude that unemployment is still way too high and the threat of inflation still way too low for the Fed to even think about beginning to raise interest rates again. ...

The right policy response is for the Fed to begin withdrawing some of this extraordinary monetary stimulus even as the rest of the government steps up its effort to stimulate the real economy. That means more money for extended unemployment benefits; more aid to the states so that they can maintain the most vital public services; and more money to expand mass transit, state college and university systems, efficient energy production and basic scientific research. ...

What would surely not be good policy, by the way, is to extend and expand the current tax break for first-time home buyers that is set to expire at the end of the year, as many in Congress are now advocating.

It is tricky to balance monetary and fiscal policy. It appears the next stimulus package will include an extension to the inefficient first-time home buyer tax credit, and will not include some of the items Pearlstein suggests.